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2021 300ser first impression
« on: October 04, 2020, 02:35:30 PM »
I posted this on KTMTalk

Trying to be objective here as not a lot of things surprise me anymore. Got the bike yesterday, prepped it and went out today on a 3 hr ride.

Ditched the stock jetting right away and went with my standard KTM jetting: NEDJ pos 3, 165 main & 40 pilot just to be on the safe side. A 38 should work better.

I will put it this way: I had an epiphany. Iím comparing this bike vs my tried and true Ď15 300.

How in hell can a bike handle this good? Turning is unreal!!! Suspension on flowing singletrack (3rd gear) canít even be written on the same sentence as WP. On the slow stuff suspension was killing me (felt stiff), Iím right at 183lb naked, B level rider. They say it will get better with time so weíll see.

Now on to the engine, this thing is a tractor down low, I canít understand how but I honestly feel it finds traction better than my KTM with a Rekluse, seriously it doesnít make sense but it does.

Engine feels smooth as it's counterbalanced but I didnít paid too much attention as the KTM never bothered me.

My main concern with the Sherco was weight, just picking it by hand it feels as heavy as my Ď15 KTM so no problem there. If you ride a late version KTM you may feel it but once riding the weight is gone, it feels a lot lighter than my Ď15 while riding.

What I didnít like? The air filter access, and the footpegs feel a tad too high. Also the gearing, it comes stock with 14-49 probably a 51 sprocket in the rear is the ticket for where I ride.

All in all the bike surprised me on a positive way.
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Re: 2021 300ser first impression
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2020, 06:00:15 PM »
Try 13T front
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Re: 2021 300ser first impression
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2020, 06:39:28 PM »
I will try it and go from there. Thanks
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Re: 2021 300ser first impression
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2020, 07:17:18 PM »
I have a 2020 300 sef factory and 19 250 xc so I understand the 2 and 4 pot feel but can extrapolate from both to your current bike.  That steep head angle really makes it turn quick.  I spent almost 2k on my KTM suspension get it where I wanted.  Sherco awesome out of the box...but I am similar weight and felt what you are feeling.  I removed 20cc of oil out of each fork leg to get it to soften up.  Too much oil to pass through caused stiff feeling.  Its a myth that over time it will soften, maybe in 1960, but now it takes about 10min.....so says the best susp. guys in the world.  If you don't want to take oil out you could just fully open clickers and see if it gets you close.  Removing the oil transformed my KYB which I bet is the same valving as yours.  Last, footpegs are high.  I bought Flo footpegs that dropped 20mm and 10mm back....what a difference.  Worth the cost.  I even put on my KTM as it makes it easier to stand up and down and lowers CofG and makes ripping through woods stood up so much easier to lean over. 
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Re: 2021 300ser first impression
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2020, 08:11:19 PM »
Sfade thanks for the info on the forks, definitely will remove oil. Iíve also read good comments on installing 1.0 ICS springs.

As for the footpegs, I felt a little high on the bike but it wasnít that bad. Iím 6í tall but I will consider it.
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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2020, 03:18:19 AM »
I have a 2020 300 sef factory and 19 250 xc so I understand the 2 and 4 pot feel but can extrapolate from both to your current bike.  That steep head angle really makes it turn quick.  I spent almost 2k on my KTM suspension get it where I wanted.  Sherco awesome out of the box...but I am similar weight and felt what you are feeling.  I removed 20cc of oil out of each fork leg to get it to soften up.  Too much oil to pass through caused stiff feeling.  Its a myth that over time it will soften, maybe in 1960, but now it takes about 10min.....so says the best susp. guys in the world.  If you don't want to take oil out you could just fully open clickers and see if it gets you close.  Removing the oil transformed my KYB which I bet is the same valving as yours.  Last, footpegs are high.  I bought Flo footpegs that dropped 20mm and 10mm back....what a difference.  Worth the cost.  I even put on my KTM as it makes it easier to stand up and down and lowers CofG and makes ripping through woods stood up so much easier to lean over.
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Have you got a link to the flo pegs, or tell me where you got them from.
Thanks


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Re: 2021 300ser first impression
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2020, 06:34:23 PM »
S3 makes lower pegs also.
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Re: 2021 300ser first impression
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2020, 09:07:40 PM »
Made a mistake, the 2021 comes with 13-48 sprockets. I read somewhere theyíre supposed to come with 14-49 stock, guess I was wrong lol. Anyway either a 50 or 51 sprocket should be the ticket.

Also weighed both the Sherco & the Ď15 300 sixdays today, this is what I found:
Sherco all fluids no gas = 241.4 lb
KTM all fluids (.39 gal of gas in tank measured AFTER I weighed the bike) = 243.5 lb

Specs are somewhat similar on both bikes:
Sherco BDP rad guards, AXP xtreme skidplate, stock handguards
KTM BDP rad guards, EE skidplate, stock handguards (same as Sherco), Eline carbon pipe guard, UHD tubes front & rear.

So removing the fuel in the KTM and itís technically a wash (2.4lb of fuel). The UHD tubes are heavy so one would think the KTM is lighter BUT donít forget the Sherco comes with a Gnarly pipe, rad fan, coolant recovery tank AND linkage. The difference in weight isnít far off vs the old gen KTM pds bikes.

I never heard anyone complaining about the weight of previous gen orange bikes.

I used a non certified digital scale for what is worth. It may not be exact but it gave me a good comparison on both bikes. The Sherco feels 15lb lighter while riding.
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Re: 2021 300ser first impression
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2020, 09:14:06 PM »
Forgot to mention the KTM has a Radius CX, donít know if it adds weight
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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2020, 04:22:09 AM »
I have a 2020 300 sef factory and 19 250 xc so I understand the 2 and 4 pot feel but can extrapolate from both to your current bike.  That steep head angle really makes it turn quick.  I spent almost 2k on my KTM suspension get it where I wanted.  Sherco awesome out of the box...but I am similar weight and felt what you are feeling.  I removed 20cc of oil out of each fork leg to get it to soften up.  Too much oil to pass through caused stiff feeling.  Its a myth that over time it will soften, maybe in 1960, but now it takes about 10min.....so says the best susp. guys in the world.  If you don't want to take oil out you could just fully open clickers and see if it gets you close.  Removing the oil transformed my KYB which I bet is the same valving as yours.  Last, footpegs are high.  I bought Flo footpegs that dropped 20mm and 10mm back....what a difference.  Worth the cost.  I even put on my KTM as it makes it easier to stand up and down and lowers CofG and makes ripping through woods stood up so much easier to lean over.
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Have you got a link to the flo pegs, or tell me where you got them from.
Thanks


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Here's the link below.  I was wrong 12mm down and 10mm back.  Doesn't sound like much but it is very nice.  Word to the wise though.  Your boots may get hung up in the kickstand.  So Took a file and file down the slot so the leg comes up higher--a 10min job. 

https://flomotorsports.com/products/copy-of-yamaha-foot-pegs-yz65-yz85-yz125-yz450f
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Re: 2021 300ser first impression
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2020, 12:49:52 AM »
not exactly a question about the topic, but (or who) would a shorter rider or a taller rider benefit from lowering the pegs? or is it a preference thing? or is it riding condition, for example single fast trail vs. hard enduro/technical tracks,
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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2020, 05:57:31 AM »
not exactly a question about the topic, but (or who) would a shorter rider or a taller rider benefit from lowering the pegs? or is it a preference thing? or is it riding condition, for example single fast trail vs. hard enduro/technical tracks,
-erdat
Well for me , Iím finding the ride position a little cramped, so I thought the pegs a little lower would be better than putting more bar risers on as they are already 35mm higher. I ride green lanes and trails so Iím standing a lot.


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Re: 2021 300ser first impression
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2020, 01:44:26 PM »
I've got a couple old trials bikes , Honda tlr 250's, 1 has standard pegs & the other 1 has a lowering kit on it. The difference is very noticeable, especially in the slow going !
It makes it better for balancing & it just gives you confidence when going slow or over obstacles, i doesn't seem to have any adverse affect when going fast, but going fast on a Trials bike is probably 40-50klm/h max ?
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Re: 2021 300ser first impression
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2020, 11:02:44 AM »
I have 2020 300se factory and pegs are fine for me, comparing to my ktm 500 exc-f.

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Re: 2021 300ser first impression
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2020, 02:29:22 PM »
I seemed to be the only 1 in our club with the standard pegs on my TLR250, we have about 6 TLR's in the club, everybody was saying you need to try the lower pegs !
After i had ridden about 1min on them, i said to myself WHY didn't i put these on before ? In Trials riding all bikes have lower pegs which helps with all the tech riding, it's probably not meant for riders who do High Country fast tracks, but i can see it being good for people doing slow, single track type riding?
I'm pretty sure i'll be buying some too try !
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