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Sherco clutches a weak point?
« on: February 09, 2021, 10:56:25 AM »
Pro enduro rider Rich Larsen on his IRCtireguy youtube mentioned the Sherco clutch on the 300 2t to be the weak point of the bike.  Another rider on his channel mentioned that the Sherco clutch "freaked him out".  Larsen said it was mostly fade issue after prolonged use but the other guy didn't explain.  I can't put my finger on it but there is something a little off with the 2021 300 clutch.  The engagement point seems much further out from the bars than my OB but seems like more than that.  The clutch is made by Adler/Adige.  I believe Larsen replaced his clutch pack with Rekluse Torq Drive which he says fixed his issue.  I think C. Webb/Factory 1 worked with Rekluse to design that clutch for Sherco. 

Anyone have any issues or thoughts on the stock clutch after breaking them in? 
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Re: Sherco clutches a weak point?
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2021, 11:33:39 AM »
I think that it's hard to fault a bike when a consumable gets consumed under extraordinary circumstances. When the pros subject it to wear and tear in 1-2 hours what normal riders will put it though in 60 or 100 hours, that's not too bad. My 2017 clutch had 81 hours on it when i sold the bike, and even with 3 KTM springs in it, not once did it slip or overheat.
As far as the engagement point, maybe it changed due to the clutch master cylinder change. the smaller piston requires more lever swing.
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Re: Sherco clutches a weak point?
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2021, 04:21:53 PM »
Cant compare to pros no, but there is something different about the feel of the clutch.   I put on Arc levers as I broke a brake lever 1st day of owning.  They seemed to move the engagement point further in.  I feel like the engagement point moves around on me a little biit or something??  On my OB and 300 4t it feels right.  Who knows.  I will have to get used to it.
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Re: Sherco clutches a weak point?
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2021, 05:44:30 PM »
"I think C. Webb/Factory 1 worked with Rekluse to design that clutch for Sherco. " - Do you mean the entire Rekluse clutch assembly?
Have you bled the clutch line? There might be some air in the line, and when everything heats up, it messes with the engagement. Or it just has shitty clutch plates
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Re: Sherco clutches a weak point?
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2021, 04:05:32 PM »
Havent bled as it seems bled correctly at lever play...but heating up could show signs of any air.  Rekluse made an entire new manual clutch pack and clutch internals.  The torq drive pack by itself is like $350.  The full assembly is pushing a grand. I would get the pack only if I cant seem to cope with the nee clutch but really trying to avoid that route. 
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Re: Sherco clutches a weak point?
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2021, 06:04:00 PM »
don't have any problems with clutch besides the lever it's too stiff.

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Re: Sherco clutches a weak point?
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2021, 06:41:21 PM »
Who's the guy with the 200 hour review on YouTube? He showed real clear how the 18+ had friction plates with hardly any oil clearance. The new bikes went back to a more traditional plate with large groves for oil. Should be fine for us mortals.
 

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Re: Sherco clutches a weak point?
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2021, 08:52:02 PM »
I have 392hrs on my 16 300 SER on the stock clutch and 328hrs on my 17 300 SER stock clutch.  I had to put one in my gals 17 250 SER at 88hrs because it literally started disintegrating but bike was purchased used with 80hrs. I put a Honda XR600 clutch pack in it and it now has 269hrs.  I'm not that easy on my clutches either. I use my own custom oil blend of 50 50 Rotella T4 15-40 non synthetic and Mobil One 15-50 full synthetic.

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Re: Sherco clutches a weak point?
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2021, 04:12:31 AM »
The 2021 2t has 9mm master so lever isn't as stiff.  My 2020 300 factory 4T (for sale in classifieds by the way) is 10mm and a hair stiffer.  I shimmed each spring a few mm and it really reduced the stiffness but maintained plenty of pressure. 

I've put quite a few hours on the new 300 2T and I started pushing the clutch really hard in some nasty stuff.  I did notice a change in engagement point and it was messing with me a bit.  Then again it may have been my tired hands.  Regardless, I like to try new things so I ordered up the Torq drive clutch pack from Rekluse.  If/when it wears out I'll have my stock pack to throw back in.  I'll post how it goes when I drop it in...this forum is on life support so gotta try and keep it fresh.
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Re: Sherco clutches a weak point?
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2021, 05:54:41 PM »
I have 392hrs on my 16 300 SER on the stock clutch and 328hrs on my 17 300 SER stock clutch.  I had to put one in my gals 17 250 SER at 88hrs because it literally started disintegrating but bike was purchased used with 80hrs. I put a Honda XR600 clutch pack in it and it now has 269hrs.  I'm not that easy on my clutches either. I use my own custom oil blend of 50 50 Rotella T4 15-40 non synthetic and Mobil One 15-50 full synthetic.

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Do you use the XR600 fibers and metals? Still the same feel and longevity?
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Re: Sherco clutches a weak point?
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2021, 06:33:58 PM »
I did put the steels and fibers for the XR600 in my gals 250.  I guess I haven't ridden it enough to comment on the feel vs stock, except for the buttery smooth effortless pull of the Clake One Light, but I don't remember it feeling weird at all.

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Re: Sherco clutches a weak point?
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2021, 06:38:46 AM »
I did put the steels and fibers for the XR600 in my gals 250.  I guess I haven't ridden it enough to comment on the feel vs stock, except for the buttery smooth effortless pull of the Clake One Light, but I don't remember it feeling weird at all.
How many fibers/metals go in there? All fibers identical?
Good info, thanks!
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Re: Sherco clutches a weak point?
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2021, 07:05:09 AM »
The Honda only takes 7 fibers and 6 steels and the Sherco takes 8 fibers and 7 steels so I bought 2 complete Honda clutch packs which was still a fair bit cheaper than 1 Sherco clutch pack and now I have extras.  I suppose you could use 1 Honda clutch pack and reuse 1 stock fiber and steel if they weren't totally trashed.  It was 2 years ago when I installed it and I can't remember exactly, but the Honda pack might've been a wee bit fatter stacked up.  I'm sorry I can't remember for sure, but again it has been working fine for many hours.

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Re: Sherco clutches a weak point?
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2021, 03:00:44 AM »
FYI

On my Sherco SE300 2020 the original Clutch tend to fade (shifting engagement point), not slip.
Tried the pre 2018 (?) Clutch Plates. They do not fade, but are less controllabe in thigt sections and moves like slowwheelie / pivot turn aso. If you like fast riding the pre 2018 Clutch would be the choice in my opinion. If its more extrem Enduro and pure control i would stick to the 2020 version.

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Re: Sherco clutches a weak point?
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2021, 06:07:12 PM »
Take the IRC tyre guy comments with a grain of salt.
There was a small number of clutch plates supplied by the clutch supplier which were not up to standard.
The issue was addressed with the supplier.
Funny how a single bike on a YouTube channel can mean 'A huge problem' for every bike out there.
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