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2022 Sherco 300 SE Factory - Hard Clutch Pull
« on: October 05, 2021, 08:01:12 AM »
Yes I know this subject has been worked over pretty hard but I feel I have a slightly different question to add to the mix.

First off Yes I know it is workable, many carry on with it as is.  For me it's a problem and is making me lazy on my clutch, also when I reach over and test my buddies on his KTM and it is HALF! at most.  Of course I feel like I need to make an attempt to lighten my clutch pull.

So the options I have learned about of course are

1. ME lever : Yes I have one and will be putting it on to try it however I am sure this won't be enough on it's own.
2. Swap out 3 springs for KTM : I have ordered a full 6 KTM springs so I could try this.
3. Just take 2 of the 6 springs out at like 12 and 6 O clock and just leave them out : Heard this is softer than the 3 KTM springs and a fascinating option.

Now my final question is: Why just 3 KTM springs, why not all 6 how come this is never brought up as an option.  If 3 makes it softer wouldn't 6 be even better or does that get to the point of slipping for some reason? What is the best route for me to take here.

A follow up would be that I also have a 2021 300 SEF Factory which I want to lighten as well and wonder which of the solutions above are most recommended or work for the 4T as well.

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Re: 2022 Sherco 300 SE Factory - Hard Clutch Pull
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2021, 12:04:43 PM »
Nobody? Nothing? this has been a surprise.

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Re: 2022 Sherco 300 SE Factory - Hard Clutch Pull
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2021, 02:10:12 PM »
I would try 6 ktm springs
I use 3 ktm on.my 2017
300 2T.
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Re: 2022 Sherco 300 SE Factory - Hard Clutch Pull
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2021, 02:24:37 PM »
Thanks for the input - I am also hoping to get some input on the 2021 300 SEF 4T and if the exact solutions work for that bike or if you need to take a different approach with the 4T

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Re: 2022 Sherco 300 SE Factory - Hard Clutch Pull
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2021, 11:14:10 AM »
The 21/22 has a different master cylinder than the previous years and has a much lighter pull. Do you have another bike to compare it to?
I havent had anyone complain since the new master cylinder.

The KTM springs are harder on the clutch plates and result in less clutch life.

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Re: 2022 Sherco 300 SE Factory - Hard Clutch Pull
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2021, 08:17:09 PM »
Yes my buddies 2018 KTM the clutch pull is half at most.  Same goes for 2021 gas gas ec300.  All the KTM bikes have enviably soft clutch pull.

I am thinking about trying an all 6 KTM springs.

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Re: 2022 Sherco 300 SE Factory - Hard Clutch Pull
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2021, 08:27:36 PM »
Has anyone on here gone with 6 KTM springs?

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Re: 2022 Sherco 300 SE Factory - Hard Clutch Pull
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2021, 06:25:42 PM »
Okay...i have done it all. The 9mm master 21-22 helps lighten but it lacks the strength to move the slave cylinder enoigh and provide wide range of engagement.  I have done the following to lighten and try and widen engagemwnt zone. 

 Removed 2 springs, light and expanded zone but slips some and lose full power when loading flywheel for big tech climb. Started shimming each stock spring with washers to lessen tension.  Worked well but still grabby and can only shim maybe 2mm till the bolts rub imside clutch case.  Looong story but replaced all springs with rekluse springs meant for their torque drive clutch.  Too light and slipped. 

My final solution.  Replaced two stock springs with two of the rekluse springs and got rhe lighter pull.  Put the rekluse slave on and gained more "push" power on clutch pack and expanded my engagement zone.

Yeah...a pain but have light pull and now great modulation. 

I have a 2020 300 SEF too.  A little different but easy fix.  I shimmed all stock springs by maybe 2mm and it was perfect.  Bigger clutch cover so no rubbing issues.  Mine had a 10mm so plenty pf "push" on the slave to provide great modulation.
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Re: 2022 Sherco 300 SE Factory - Hard Clutch Pull
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2021, 07:12:31 PM »
Thanks for all this.  Interesting potential side problem on the 9mm master and range of modulation.  But I suppose first step is I want to lighten it up and not have it slip then I can decide if I have enough modulation to keep me happy.

So I do not have rekluse springs - but I have 6 KTM springs atm.  I wonder if my first attempt should be 6 KTM springs to see if it slips then if so maybe I go down to 3 like everyone talks about. I wonder how the 3 KTM springs compares to your 2 Rekluse springs solution.

As to the SEF just need to shim the springs you say? explain that process a little more please how or where do you put the shims - bottom of spring or up on top for around 2mm?

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Re: 2022 Sherco 300 SE Factory - Hard Clutch Pull
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2021, 05:23:38 PM »
You just gotta go ride and determine the feel you want.  The clutch only takes a second to open up and move springs around once you lay her on her side.  I tried 4 combos during one ride to try different/amount.

The SEF...in essence you want to shorten the bolt insertion length.  So, you need to go to hardware store and find little washers that fit inside of of the cup or under the cup washer the bolt currently sits in.  Get them thin so you can fine tune the height.  That's it. Probably a Youtube video...must be actually, b/c I think that's how I learned about it a couple of years ago. 
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Re: 2022 Sherco 300 SE Factory - Hard Clutch Pull
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2021, 06:19:48 PM »
Thanks mate - today I forged ahead and went with 3 KTM springs in my 300 SE - I also put a Mountain Engineering lever had I ordered as well at the same time.  So now the clutch feels nice and soft.  The modulation range starts very close to the hand grip but I haven't properly warmed up the bike yet.  So it looks promising.  Based on how soft it is I think 3 KTM springs is probably about the most you can get away with.  Which makes sense why you did two rekluse and you only ever hear about 3 KTM springs and not more.  Again looks promising.

As to the SEF I appreciate the extra information it now makes sense in my mind.  Do you feel that is the preferable route to go vs me just again doing 3 KTM springs on that bike?

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Re: 2022 Sherco 300 SE Factory - Hard Clutch Pull
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2021, 08:03:40 PM »
Never tried the KTM springs and the shim was perfect.  Also, the terrain I rode was a lot different than what I ride my 2t on so I wasn't constantly clutching so the pull didn't have to be perfect light as my hands never got tired on the 4t and the amount I used my clutch.  If you have springs already, used them and see.
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Re: 2022 Sherco 300 SE Factory - Hard Clutch Pull
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2021, 08:23:25 PM »
I have the Clake One Light clutch on my 300's and absolutely love them.  They are ergonomically perfect for one finger, very hard to break, and have a big range of adjustability.

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Re: 2022 Sherco 300 SE Factory - Hard Clutch Pull
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2021, 05:50:32 AM »
Sfade,
I have, on order, a 2022 250 SE factory ed. Coming off years of  KTM 200's back to an 03 200SX so some of this is a learning experience.  As noted many years on KTM 200's and most I have tweaked the clutch with Honda springs, plates, SX-85 clutch MC to get the 9.0 etc. On a 200 the clutch is very important as it gets worked a LOT!

SmoMot and SfADE, Can you share the part numbers for the Rekluse springs and or the KTM springs that you used?
And along with this on my 200's I always used a 50/50 mix of Rotella Diesel Oil and ATF. All ATF or blending is pretty common with KTM, is this an "approved" practice with Sherco? Makes for a very smooth clutch and inexpensive to change.
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Re: 2022 Sherco 300 SE Factory - Hard Clutch Pull
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2021, 04:03:48 AM »
I did the remove two springs trick on my 14 model 300 two stroke. It works but you will eventually cook the clutch and turn the steels blue. The three KTM spring trick works well. Got 140 hours out of the clutch on my 19, before I had to replace it, due to warping the steels. An ARC power lever works well along with getting the 9mm master cylinder, if your bike didn't come with one
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